This is a guide on how to ferment vegetables at home. I’ve tried to make it as simple and clear as possible. The idea for the recipe I use here got from Dr Mercola. It can be easily adapted to fit your own taste. Use whatever vegetables that are in season. I’ve used many variations of this recipe and I never get tired of it.
7 steps to ferment vegetables and enjoy them after one week
NOTE: If you’re a beginner, use whatever tools and utensils you already have. After a batch or two, you will know if you need to acquire better equipment.
How to ferment vegetables: Ingredients
Cabbage makes up 50-80% of the veggie mix. Cabbage is cheap and nutritious. With the other veggies you can freely improvise. I think organic produce is tastier, cleaner, and healthier.
Be careful with garlic and onion as they add very distinct tastes.
This recipe is for a larger batch—about 5-6 two-quart jars. For a smaller batch, just follow the main idea and you should be fine. Here I use the following veggies (amounts are approximate):
Green cabbage: 6-8 lb (3-4 kg); use hard, tightly packed heads
Red cabbage: 2 lb (1 kg); adds a beautiful color
Carrots: 2-4 lb (1-2 kg)
3-4 small sweet potatoes
3-5 pieces of ginger root (superb, hot taste)
Coriander leaves (I use a lot!)
3-4 fresh, whole fennels
A few red bell peppers (remove seeds)
2-4 green apples (remove seeds)
4-6 celery bunches to juice. It has a mild, salty taste. Juice both stems and leaves.
Salt: 1-2 tablespoons per jar (sea salt or Himalayan).
Step 1: Prepare the culture starter
Body Ecology makes nice culture starters.
Using a culture starter makes a BIG difference. Why?
Advantages include:
More vitamin K2
Faster fermentation
Stabilizes fermentation
More probiotic bacteria
Protects against bad microorganisms
I think it even tastes better. (This batch developed a tart, acidic, complex taste, hot ginger notes and medium crunchy veggies!)
I use two packets (5-10 grams) for 10-12 pounds (5-6 kg) of vegetables. Use more starter if case of a low room temperature.
Mix starter with juice
Make 1 quart (1 litre) or more of fresh celery juice (cabbage juice also works). Dissolve the starter culture completely in the juice.
Let the juice sit while moving on to step 2. This helps activate the probiotic bacteria.
Step 2: Rinse, cut and shred vegetables
Use both red and green cabbage. Cabbage is packed with phytochemicals, vitamins, enzymes, minerals, and the essential vitamin K2.
The fermentation process makes most nutrients easier for the body to digest and assimilate because the bacteria have already processed nutrients that are in a state that can be quickly assimilated!
Leave one cabbage leaf for every jar; we will need them later.
Rinsing
Rinse the vegetables thoroughly in water, even if you use organic produce. Avoid bleach as it harms the natural, good microorganisms living on the veggies. However, a natural fruit and vegetable wash or vinegar is fine.
Cut the vegetables before shredding. We have a big machine which is faster. But it’s fine to do a small batch by hand.
Shredding
We use a professional food processor to speed things up. For smaller batches it’s fine to do it by hand. Years ago, we did everything by hand which worked well, but was quite demanding.
Put all of the shredded vegetables into a big bowl where you can mix them easily.
The shredded vegetable mix smells wonderful!
Step 3. Add culture starter juice to the mix
The starter culture juice has now been sitting for 20-40 minutes. The bacteria are slowly activated and ready to get to work. Pour the juice over the vegetable mix thoroughly so that the vegetables are completely mixed with the juice.
NOTE: This is a good time to add salt. How much? This is a matter of taste. But I add about 1 tablespoon per jar. Some add more, others less.
Having access to a professional kitchen is great, however, it is by no means required to succeed with preparing fermented food.
Step 4: Pack vegetables in jars
The vegetables should be pressed or packed hard into the jars. You want to force air out and at the same squeeze out juice from the vegetables. This promotes fermentation.
A kraut-pounder can help press the veggies. It’s a wooden instrument that looks like a small baseball bat. But the fist is also fine.
Don’t fill the jars completely full, only up to 75%. During fermentation the brine will raise and leak out of the jars. This is normal. But the empty space left in the jars will release some of the pressure.
Any juice left in the bowl should be added to the jars.
Step 5: Add cabbage leaves on top
Putting cabbage leaves on top of the jar helps keep the vegetables submerged in the brine. The absence of oxygen is vital for a successful fermentation.
Later when the fermentation process is complete and you are ready to eat the veggies, just discard the cabbage leaf.
This is a beautiful sight and a great reward for your hard work! Now the jars should be stored at room temperature for around 7 days. The fermentation process often accelerates on day 2 or 3. You’ll see bubbles and it might start to smell a bit. This is the smell of probiotic bacteria transforming the vegetables.
Step 6: Fermentation
Some brine might leak from the jars during the fermentation process. Therefore, store the jars in a suitable place. We often use the kitchen sink where we can easily monitor the process.
The temperature determines to a great degree how long fermentation will take. During winter, 7-15 days is usually fine. During summer, it might suffice with 5-7 days. Open a jar and taste it from day 3 or 4. If the taste is not very acidic, then wait another few days.
Ideal temperature: 68-75 degrees (20-24 C.). If the room temperature is lower than this, it slows down fermentation. In such case, leave the veggies to ferment a few days longer. Taste regularly to determine when it’s ready.
Max temperature: Around 83-85 (28-29 C.). A warmer temperature stimulates the growth of unwanted microorganisms. It can also make the vegetables mushier. Therefore, don’t leave the jars for too long to ferment. Mushy veggies are still healthy to consume, but are not as appealing as crunchy ones. A higher salt concentration can prevent veggies from going mushy.
It’s amazing to watch how the color of the vegetables changes during fermentation. The microorganisms rapidly transforms color, taste and texture. The image of the jar below is taken on day 3.
During fermentation, pressure will build in the jars. Therefore, if using Mason jars, don’t put the lid on too tight as you want to allow gas to escape. You can also open the lid for a second and let pressure out.
Step 7: Store in a cool place
When you are happy with the taste, move the jars to a cool, dark place. If you have space in your fridge, that’s fine.
The veggies are ready to be consumed after a day in the fridge. This is a HUGE advantage of using a starter culture because the process is much faster.
We have also fermented vegetables many times without adding a starter culture. This is called a natural or wild fermentation. It requires 7-15 days to ferment. But to get the same acidic, complex taste as with a starter, you need to wait for weeks.
One reason is that fermentation is slower without a starter culture. But it’s also because a starter culture adds many more bacteria strains.
When you open a jar to consume the fermented vegetables, discard the cabbage leave you left on top.
NOTE: what if brine levels are getting low and not completely covering the vegetables? If you consume the jar quickly, then you might not need to do anything.
Otherwise, add raw, fermented cabbage juice or fresh celery juice, or even water with a little salt.
Storing fermented vegetable
Fermented vegetables will keep in the fridge for at least 2-3 months without any deterioration of taste. Sometimes the veggies turn a bit softer. But they stay fresh for a very long time. We find that over time the taste often improves.
However, the taste tend to get more tart and acidic after a few months, so if you don’t appreciate this, then consume them faster. A higher acidity is a good sign that the bacteria are alive and therefore the fermented food is still “active.”
What do fermented vegetables contain?
This is not a complete list because much depends on the kind of bacteria strains that are active in the batch. But generally:
Small amounts of propionic acid (a preservative, antimicrobial, inhibits growth of yeast)
Large amounts of probiotic bacteria (both active and dead bacteria are healthy)
Lactic acid (creates the characteristic tangy taste)
Small amounts of acetic acid (as in vinegar)
A mixture of gases, mostly carbon dioxide
A mixture of aromatic esters
Small amounts of alcohol
Enzymes
Vitamin K2
Much more
Fermented nutrients are in a state that makes them easy for the body to digest and assimilate (courtesy of the probiotic bacteria).
How to consume
Fermenting vegetables is really simple. But how best to consume fermented vegetables? There are no rules. Fermented food can be added to any meal, or eaten just by itself.
Some might experience some minor symptoms like gas. Try consuming smaller amounts for a while until the gut has adjusted. Probiotic bacteria often improve the entire digestive tract.
Now it’s your turn! It’s easier to start with smaller batches. Done’t worry about the details, just try it. I truly hope you will enjoy it as much as we do.
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Comments
willyssonsays
After the first batch, can I pour off some of the liquid into a clean container and use it (the liquid) as a starter for the next batch? Would like to economize a bit. Thanks.
Ken Silverssays
Hi Willysson
That’s a good question. The success of using old juice depends on the types of organisms present in the juice and its acidity. If your starter juice from the old batch has a very high acidity it can result in poor quality vegetables. (The longer you have kept your batch in the fridge, usually the higher the acidity (lower pH). This you can feel when eating it; it’s very tangy.) Problems with juice from the old batch occur because the bacteria strains that normally initiate fermentation are suppressed by the high acidity and therefore other bacteria will go to work. This can produce fermented vegetables with a softer texture than normal, even mushy. But it also depends on the starter culture. Try a smaller batch with some old juice and see if the result is OK. Because if it is, you can really economize.
I use a starter culture from Body Ecology; in one box there are six packages (for six batches) and costs about $24. I prepare about 10 pounds of vegetables for each batch using one packed of starter culture; this batch lasts for about a month or more. This means that I pay $48 per year for the starter culture. The idea is to prepare large batches since this way you can economize a lot. But there is a limit how much you can prepare with one package, but it’s pretty much.
However, my experience is that prepare yogurt or kefir using some of the old batch to start a new one works very well. Use about six tablespoons of the old batch and add it to the new one and you will have excellent bacteria growth. One reason why this works so well with yogurt and kefir is because you have no vegetables turning soft or mushy.
Margosays
Hi Ken,
Enjoyed this article, and appreciate the information. I am going to begin fermenting my own veggies soon! I have a few questions. One, I have a nutria-bullet, is this okay to use to “juice” the celery, as this method leaves the fiber in the mix. Will the fiber being in the mix change the fermenting process in any way?
Second question refers to the comment about the mason jars…. to not screw them down tightly so as to let gasses escape. Once fermented, after about the week you say is needed, would it be expected that the cap would be tightened when putting in the fridge?
Then finally, when packing the jars, and tamping the contents down, are we to pour out the excess fluid? Is this the “left-over” that has been mentioned? The veggies ferment even when excess starter liquid is removed?
Thanks so much, this is all new to me, but I really want to try it, to provide my family with a good healthy probiotic laden addition to our diet.
Margaret
Margosays
ONe other question….can you use a food processor to “shred” the veggies, or must you shred them?
Ken Silverssays
Hi again Margo.
We use a food processor to shred the veggies. I used to do it by hand and if you prepare only a small batch it is OK. But we prepare around 20 pounds each time and therefore shredding by hand become very tiresome. A food processor is very helpful. It does not seem to matter if you shred you vegetables fine or coarse; the vegetables will ferment very well anyway.
However, we have noticed that coarsely shredded vegetables produce crunchier, better tasting fermented vegetables. If you shred your veggies too fine, you might fell like you’re consuming a vegetable porridge. So if your food processor comes with different shredding or grating discs, I recommend you try the coarse disc. If you’re using vegetables like cilantro (coriander leaves) or parsley, those you can also easily cut by hand.
Ken Silverssays
Hello Margo.
Nice to hear you’re getting into fermenting vegetables; you will not regret that you did. You also have some good questions how to ferment vegetables; let me try to answer these questions.
1. I’ve not used the NutriBullet but I have made a thicker brine using the fibers in the vegetables. My experience is that this will not disturb the fermentation process in any way; celery juice is great and the probiotic bacteria seem to love it also. However, it might create a thicker consistency than normal. The brine in fermented vegetables is normally watery light, tart and with a complex, wonderful sour taste. Using the brine from your NutriBullet will create a thicker brine, but in no way ruin your fermented vegetables. So if you are OK with a thicker consistency on the final product, then you should have no problems at all.
2. The fermentation process normally reaches its peak after a few days in room temperature; you see lots of bubbles in the jars. After that the fermentation quickly enters the next stage and calms down. The bacteria are still very active even though there are fewer bubble in the jars. Then, after about a week when you put the jars in the fridge, the fermentation process will slow down considerably because of the lower temperature. The cool temperature means less gas is produced and therefore pressure will not build up in the jars as it did during the early fermentation stage. In addition, air is one of the main enemies that can ruin your precious fermented vegetables. Therefore, at this stage you need to screw the lids on more tight not to let air into the jars.
3. The fluid is very valuable, you do not want to pour it out. The fluid is packed with vitamins, enzymes and many other nutrients. It also contains sugars that the probiotic bacteria will devour and create several other healthy substances including gas. The starter liquid will become completely integrated with the fermented vegetables and cannot be, and should never be removed. You should enjoy every drop of it!
Hope this helps.
Happy fermentation!
DARRYLsays
KEN I JUICE BEETS CARROTS CELERY KALE BROCCOLI RABE DANDELION APPLES AND GINGER CAN I USE THE RESIDUE FIBER TO PREPARE FERMENTED FOOD..
THANKS.
Ken Silverssays
Hello Darryl.
Nice to hear that you’re into juicing. Fermenting the residue is perhaps possible but the result will most likely not be appealing. The reason is that the presence of vegetable juice is a major factor for success since it contains sugar, enzymes and vitamins vital for the fermentation process. The leftovers are mainly fibers as you say and not really your best option. I’ve used this dry vegetable mass left after juicing in cooking, which turned out pretty good; in stews or mixing some with ground meat is nice.
Fresh cabbage, carrots, celery, apples and ginger are usually not that expensive to get. If you want to prepare fermented vegetables, then go for the real thing. Then you will have a product that is tasty and packed with nutrients.
Mary Holdersays
May I ask, do you find room temperature to be important while the vegies are fermenting? We live in Florida, our home is usually about 80 degrees.
I’d appreciate your input.
Ken Silverssays
A temperature of 64 to 72 (18º to 22º C) is most desirable for initiating fermentation since this is the optimum temperature range for the growth and metabolism of some of the best probiotic bacteria strains. Temperatures above 72 degrees (22ºC) can work also, but the warmer it gets the more it favors the growth of other Lactobacillus species; they are still good bacteria but might give a different taste and the vegetable might become softer. If you don’t have a basement or somewhere were it’s cooler, then you just have to try fermenting in a higher temperature.
However, you should be aware that a higher room temperature will promote mold in you jars. If you’re making yogurt, then the process works fine in 80 degrees too. But for vegetables the process can be more sensitive. But if you follow my recommendations in my post on how to ferment vegetables, you will do fine. A few tips on fermenting in a warmer climate:
1. Be sure to emerge the vegetables completely in brine to protect them from mold. Use fresh celery or cabbage juice as brine as the juice helps protect the veggies.
2. Use a starter culture; this make the process much more stable and predictable.
3. You might not have to leave the vegetables for the entire 6 days in room temperature to complete the process. Higher room temperature usually shorten the process as the veggies ferment faster. Try what works best for you.
April Vendolasays
Very good article. Is the kimchee (Korean fermented vegetables) also good for us?
Ken Silverssays
Yes April, kimchi is an excellent fermented food that can help you improve your gut health. It is rich in vitamins, lactobacilli bacteria and other nutrients. It has also been reported that kimchi can help break down pesticides, pollutants found in many foods drinking water. It’s simple to make at home so just indulge! I hope to post some recipes on kimchi in the future.
w.r.says
I have been considering doing this. I had a few questions, please. Is the raw honey necessary? What about other sugars? Regardless, I hope the end product is one in which the bacteria has digested ALL sugars.
Any guess as to what percentage of the probiotics survive the digestion (stomach acid) process and make it to the gut? Does it colonize the gut or is it necessary to continue to eat fermented foods?
Any thoughts on the advantages/disadvantages of a fermenting crock?
I used to ferment wine. I had to be careful about cleanliness and not introducing bad bacteria. I had to use a device to let the CO2 escape without letting outside air in (although some old timers I know just used a cheese cloth cover). Is there any such concern with your operation?
I have heard fermenting releases nutrients and makes them more bio-available. I have heard that sprouts (broccoli) are super nutrient dense. What about fermenting sprouts?
Thank you!
w.r.
Ken Silverssays
Hi w.r.
The honey is not a must, but you use very little and it does stimulate bacteria growth since they feed on these kinds of sugars. The bacteria will consume all sugars so that the end product will become acidic and tart; there are very low levels of carbohydrates left, if any. It has been transformed to several other nutrients and gas.
The bacteria you consume will not replace the bacteria you have in your gut. But probiotic bacteria you consume will create a suitable environment so that the natural bacteria colonizing your gut can thrive. This is one reason why it you should consume fermented foods on a regular basis, especially if you’re over the age of 40 and you gut will start needing more support.
Fermenting crocks are really practical when preparing a bigger batch; this is the traditional way people has prepared fermented foods for centuries. In Eastern Europe many still use large containers for their ferments and they eat from it for for months. However, the bigger fermenting crocks are also bulky so you need some good place to store it. If you have a cool cellar or basement you’re lucky because that’s an ideal place. Otherwise you might consider using Mason jars or similar as those can easily be store in the fridge.
As to hygiene, yes you need to use clean jars, tools and to rinse the vegetables. But I’ve never been overly picky with it. I have also noticed that using a culture starter helps a lot as it makes the fermenting process a lot more stable and not as sensitive to unwanted bacteria. If you have some experience with wine making, that can help you a lot since the fermentation principles will be similar.
Yes, you can ferment sprouts too. I’ve not tried it but my wife and I sprout a lot and consume it daily, including broccoli seeds because of the reason you mention, and because they are delicious eaten fresh. Fermented foods have a very high bioavailability; they are assimilated by your body almost as if the food was already chewed and digested. This is because the beneficial bacteria prepare the food for you. But I appreciate the reminder about fermenting sprouts; I will try it and report the result.
Hope this help
Hollysays
Hello Ken,
What an excellent and informative article! Fermented foods have long been a part of our diet in my house but are so costly. We purchased them from Whole Foods at $10.00 for 12 ounces. So, needless to say, I am thrilled to discover this information!! I have a few questions; can the types of vegetables be played with? I would love to add beets and my husband loves the spicey jalapeño variety I buy from WF so would love to add some jalapeños to part of it for him. Also, is raw honey necessary or is organic honey okay to use? I am also interested in sprouting more foods…do you have any articles on such? It is refreshing to read information from someone so knowledgeable. Thank you so much for the information and your feedback!
Ken Silverssays
Hello Holly.
Glad to hear you like this info. Yes, you can play with many vegetables to find what you like; almost anything can be fermented. Almost each time we make a new batch we make some changes to the recipe. Beets are great but can add a distinct taste and therefore I do not add them each time. Jalapeños are really good too, just be careful with amounts since the taste can become very strong. But if you like it really hot, then just go for it. Onion and garlic are good, but again, can add very distinct tastes.
If you want to experiment, one idea is to add a different vegetable to one jar and evaluate the result. I sometimes do this when trying something for the first time. Recently I wanted to ferment fresh sprouts for the first time so I added them only to only one out of five jars just to see how it turned out.
I mix one teaspoon of raw honey with the celery juice just to feed the bacteria some fast sugars to kick-start the process; you can use your organic honey, no problem.
About sprouts: I’ve not written any post about this yet, but I can recommend http://sproutpeople.org. They are really good at this and also offers some helpful tools.
Wish you success with fermenting vegetables
Hollysays
Are there any vegetables you do not recommend adding?? What about onions??Thanks!
Ken Silverssays
Hi Holly.
Onion is similar to garlic in that they are very nutritious fermented but can also add a specific taste; there are some onion like red ones that are milder. They are great in some recipes. Interesting is that some people who normally do not like to eat onion can enjoy them when fermented; actually most fermented vegetables taste quite different from raw ones.
The recipe in this post is composed in such a way to produce a balanced, complex and fresh taste where ginger adds a slightly hot feel to it. Adding a few hot peppers can enhance the taste even more, perhaps even an onion. I’ve used garlic a few times but they often tend to dominate the taste too much. It might be better to ferment certain vegetables like garlic separately. Then you can eat them separately.
Whether ther are vegetables to avoid fermenting? I’ve not yet come across any vegetable that could not be fermented, there might be; but recipes are mostly a matter of what you prefer.
Geoffrey Youle Deansays
My wife and I are old age pensioners living in a small granny flat in Brisbane Australia. I see what you say about Florida and we have a similar problem. Our temperatures in the flat, where we have our 10 gallon krok range from about 6 degrees Celsius in winter to up to 33grees C in summer- before we turn on the air conditioning. We have a small second fridge where we can store the jars of fermented veges, once the krok is decanted. In the summertime – like now – how long should we leave our krok before decanting when the 28C to 33C max. are common day after day. We have really enjoyed your article and Dr Mercola’s and thank you sincerely for your help.
Sincerely…………………………………….Geoff
Ken Silverssays
Hello Geoffrey.
Good question. How to ferment vegetables in a hot climate is not easy to answer as it can be challenging and you will have to experiment to see what works best for you. A 10 gallon crock is really nice for fermenting big batches of vegetables. If it has a water lock, even better as it keeps oxygen out effectively.
There are a few recommendations that might help to successfully ferment vegetables in a hot climate.
Taste your product: The best way to know if the product is ready is to taste it; taste after two days, three and so on. When the taste seems to be right, then refrigerate. In a hot climate this might be after 3-7 days. In a hot climate vegetables also tend to get softer, even mushy. But this can also be avoided.
Try to ferment vegetables while the temperature is in the correct range in your apartment. When the first part of fermentation is complete the vegetables are not as sensitive anymore, even if the room temperature would rise. If you have a cool place to store smaller jars, then of course is would be better to empty you crock and store smaller jars in the fridge during the hot season. When temperatures get above 25, 26 degrees Celsius, the fermentation process accelerates and the vegetables become more vulnerable to mold, which is the most common problem in a warmer climate.
If you ferment during the hot season, some people have successfully turned on their air condition unit during the most sensitive fermentation process; that would be the first 7 days or so. After this you need to make sure the brine is completely covering all the vegetables to block oxygen out. If you have a water lock on your crock, then make sure it always is tight and will not let any air into the crock. Oxygen is another main enemy of fermented vegetables because if promotes growth of mold, yeast and other unwanted microorganisms.
Use a starter culture. This makes the fermentation process much more stable and introduces bacteria strains that can help protect the vegetables. A starter culture also tends to lower the pH much faster, thereby helping to protect the product in a warmer climate.
Normally when fermenting vegetables in a cooler room temperature, you can ferment for several weeks or longer without ruining the product. The only thing that happens is that the level or sourness increases. However, in a hot climate it can be risky to leave the vegetables for a long time in a crock in room temperature, again because your main threat will be mold. The only way of knowing when the vegetables are ready is to taste the product; first after two days, then daily until the taste seems right. After that the product is ready to be refrigerated.
Use salt: Salt protects vegetables against harmful microorganisms as mold. Traditionally, a lot of salt was used when making sauerkraut. However, you don’t want too much salt since it can inhibit the growth of good bacteria. But a little salt slows down the fermentation process and acts as a preservative. Salt can also help preserve the crunchiness of vegetables.
Use fresh celery or cabbage juice as brine. These juices help protect the vegetables.
Some people have tried to ferment vegetables in a fridge not too cool. However, be aware that the cooler temperature will slow down fermentation so that you might not get the result you want since many bacteria strains are inhibited by a low temperature.
Others have put the jars in low level cold water, not covering the entire jar but just the lower part. Other has put refreezable ice packs around the jars to keep them cool during the first 3-5 days.
Edsays
What about mushrooms? What about hard fruits like apples or green (not ripe) mangos or watermelon rind? Is this the same process for making cucumbers into pickles?
I also noted you use a glass Mason-type of jar with a glass top but my recollection is that they all have differing domes thus creating an air pocket. How do you get that air out or does that matter?
Thanks for the great information. I will try this as I live in Ecuador and am about out of my supply of US-bought Probiotics. Besides, I like the idea of inexpensive but better. One final question regarding the survivability of the pro-biotics in the stomach. I use a brand of Probiotics that are time-released so they enter the intestines and there disolve and are not killed in the stomach acid. Since fermented foods come in contact with the stomach acid, I am wondering about the survivability?
Ken Silverssays
Hello Ed.
Mushrooms are great to ferment or pickle. There are many recipes but in Eastern Europe this is an old tradition. They often precook the mushroom first, then drain them, put mushrooms in jar, add vinegar, salt, a little sugar, garlic, dill and raspberry leaves. You must have brine enough to completely cover the mix. The jar is left in room temperature for 2-3 days to ferment and after that stored in a cooler place. Traditionally people used to eat this the whole winter.
Apples are often used together with cabbage; it’s like sauerkraut with apples. But you can add an apple or two to almost to any recipe. Mango same thing, excellent to ferment.
Watermelon rind I’ve not tried to ferment myself, but I’ve seen other doing this successfully. You scrape the pink flesh and peel off the green skin off the rind, cut in smaller pieces. Mix 2 tbsp salt with 1 quart filtered water. Add herbs, spices to taste. Put it all in a jar and leave to ferment for 1-3 days in room temperature. When fermentation gets going, be sure to loosen the lid for a second now and them to let gas escape from jar. Store in cool place.
Cucumber pickles can be extremely tasty and are useful. The recipe is similar to the one for mushrooms.
The jars I used are not real Mason; the small amount of air is pushed out as soon as fermentation starts and pressure is built up in the jar. The rubber seal will let the pressure out when too high. I have found that these jars are very good for fermenting vegetables.
About survivability. It has been a matter of some controversy about what kind of bacteria and how many survive the harsh stomach environment. Research has confirmed that several species do survive and even show up in the stool for several week after consumption; Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium are among those. This indicates that consuming fermented foods or high quality probiotic supplements regularly will benefit your entire intestinal tract.
Chuck Postmasays
Ken,
Great article! Just one quick clarification. I’ve been reading where during fermentation the vegetables must be covered with liquid, but you did not mention that. I’ve made four quarts of assorted sauerkraut and salsa and have used a brine of one tablespoon sea salt to 2 cups filtered water with excellent results. Do you cover the vegetables with celery juice or other liquid during the fermentation?
Thanks
Chuck
Ken Silverssays
Hello Chuck.
Yes, you’re right, the vegetables must be completely covered with brine. This is one of the most important factors to successfully ferment vegetables. If brine levels in the jars get low in the fridge, then you should add liquid. I add raw, fermented cabbage juice that I buy in the store. But you can also add water with a little salt.
During fermentation I cover the vegetables completely with celery juice. Earlier I used water as you do, which works well too. However, I found that with celery juice the taste becomes more complex and enjoyable and it also helps preserve the vegetables. Also, celery juice adds a mild, pleasant salty taste, therefore you don’t need to add as much salt, if any.
The taste and texture of the final product will tell you if you’ve done everything right. And you seem happy with the result which is the main thing.
Liliasays
How much celery juice is needed as a starter?
Ken Silverssays
Hi Lilia.
Actually, the celery juice is needed as brine to cover the vegetables. The starter culture is added to the celery juice because it’s a convenient way to add the starter and later mix it with the vegetables. The amount of celery juice needed depends on how much vegetables use are fermenting. I make about one quart of celery juice for five fairly big jars. But you can also make less juice but add a little water.
R. Petriesays
I am fairly new to vegetable fermenting as I have only made one batch with cabbage so far (it turned out great). I have considered adding garlic to the next batch, but I’ve wondered about it’s anti-bacterial properties and if it would slow down or hinder the growth of the good bacteria. I see from the comments above, that people do add it in, but it still makes me wonder if it’s counter productive. Any thoughts ?
Ken Silverssays
Hello.
Garlic works very well to ferment together with almost any other vegetable; garlic does not affect the growth of beneficial, probiotic bacteria. But garlic contains antimicrobial and anti-fungal agents in its active ingredients, making it suitable to combat bad bacteria, viruses and other harmful microorganisms.
However, garlic adds a very distinct taste to the vegetables; if this is OK with you, then you should have no problem. Just be aware that fermented garlic can have a very strong taste; this is the reason I prefer to ferment garlic separately and add it on the side whenever I’m in the “garlic mood,” like in the cold and flu season. But the health properties of fermented garlic are many and profound like you say.
Lydiasays
I have kefir grains which I use to make kefir from cow’s milk. Can I just add some freshly made kefir to use as a starter? Thanks.
Ken Silverssays
Hello Lydia.
Kefir grains are wonderful and if you take good care of them, will serve you long. As you know, you pour milk over the grains to prepare a batch. Then, after some 24 hours your kefir will be ready. However, don’t throw away the kefir grains as you would an old teabag. Pour the kefir through a strainer and your grains can be used for the next batch. If the grain are of high quality, they can be used to make several more batches. And with the right care, they can even serve you indefinitely.
Ellensays
This is such wonderful information – thanks! Is there another way to “juice” the celery? We don’t have a juicer.
Ken Silverssays
Hi Ellen.
I’ve heard some people using a mixer or blender; this would create a celery mash which you then pour though a fine strainer into a bowl to collect the juice.
I earlier used boiled water that has cooled down which also works pretty well. It makes the taste a little more diluted but not too bad. Sometimes you can buy freshly pressed cabbage juice or some other pure juice without any additives in the grocery store that also could be used. And you don’t need that much juice; I use about a quart or so for five jars.
Lynnsays
If I were to make a celery juice brine using a BlendTec high speed blender, I think I would need to add water, wouldn’t I? If I did that, would the resulting dilution of the celery juice reduce it’s qualities to safely preserve the vegetables without salt addition? (I would be using the Mercola Kinetic Culture starter.) Would I risk to introduce too many undesireable bacteria during straining process if I squeezed the celery mash through a nutbag? Should I boil and then cool the resulting celery juice? I guess a juicer would be easier, but I’d like to try the fermenting first before adding that investment.
By the way, Do you feel that Mercola’s claims for that his “Kinetic Culture” starter results in high Vit K2 content veggies are relieable? (I see that in your comment below you did recommend a Dr. Mercola brand starter culture)
Thanks for your help!
Ken Silverssays
Hello Lynn
Nice to hear that you decided to try fermenting vegetables.
Using a blender for the celery: if you need to add a little water to your celery should not be a problem. Diluted celery juice will still work fine. If you’re not sure, just add a little salt later to your veggie mix.
If you’re using a starter, then the risk is very small that harmful microorganisms would disturb fermentation. Squeezing the mash through any utensil would be fine as long as they are clean.
Celery juice should be used raw to preserve all the nutrients; do not boil the juice.
Yes, a juicer does simplify things. However, when I started fermenting vegetables I also used other methods like you. It worked well. I also tried ”wild fermentation” which can be more difficult.
About Kinetic Culture. I’ve tried many different starters, both good ones and poor ones. Kinetic Culture is one of the best I’ve tried. I used Body Ecology starters for a long time and I was always very happy with them. But I wanted to try Kinetic Culture. It seems that the claim about the high level of vitamin K2 is true. Kinetic Culture was developed with microbiologists and thoroughly tested. The bacteria combination used in Dr. Mercola’s starter is a bit more advanced than other starters. For me Kinetic Culture also produces better tasting veggies.
Wish you success with your batch.
Lori Bartellsays
Hi Ken!
What is your opinion on using cultured whey for a starter to culture vegetables?
Ken Silverssays
Hello Lori.
Using whey as a culture starter to ferment vegetables is possible. However, I’m not a big fan of using whey this way. Whey is dairy based and contains bacteria strains specialized in consuming lactose or the sugars in milk. This might work well with fermenting milk or cream to make cheese, yogurt or kefir, even though I think kefr grains are better. In any case, I don’t think whey is the best starter culture for fermenting vegetables or to prepare picked cucumbers, garlic or any of that sort.
However, some bacteria strains can be the same both for fermenting dairy and fermenting vegetables. Therefore, you might succeed with some vegetables but not with others. Usually the problem is that vegetables become mushy or just don’t taste well.
I normally use a starter culture that is more broad-spectrum consisting of dried bacteria composed for the purpose of fermenting vegetables; like Body Ecology or even better Dr Mercola. This way you add a selection of bacteria suitable for vegetables. In addition, you will also have more different bacteria strains that are not included in whey.
You can also do wild fermentation, using the bacteria naturally occurring on all vegetables. I’ve done this many times, but it’s a more unstable and unpredictables process and you don’t get as much beneficial bacteria as when adding a starter culture.
Keith Hullsays
Hi Ken – have been a fan of Dr Mercola for a number of years. His recommendation of your website fulfills the high rating we have come to expect from him. Your comments are so instructive with clear detail and offered with warmth and sincerity, even when you have earlier covered the points. No questions, just a word of encouragement.
We live in NZ in the sunny Bay of Plenty.
Kind regards
Ken Silverssays
Hello Keith.
Thank you for your kind words.
Guestsays
Hi,
Can people with a acidity/ bloating/ indigestion problems consume fermented food without having any problems.
Thanks
Ken Silverssays
Hello.
Many people suffer from bloating or ingestion because of imbalances in their gut or because of inflammation. Imbalances between good and bad bacteria or yeast overgrowth can cause all the symptoms you describe. Consuming probiotics or fermented foods can help correct such imbalances in several ways. Mainly beneficial bacteria in fermented food stimulate your body to kill off harmful bacteria, parasites and yeast. This can initially cause an aggravation of symptoms for a few days including gas, bloating, headaches, flu-like symptoms, even skin eruptions. For a majority of people this is completely harmless. However, it can feel unpleasant.
Therefore the recommendation is to start small, with small amounts of fermented foods; perhaps staring with one or two tablespoons to half a cup of fermented vegetables daily. As you body gets used to fermented food you might be able to slowly increase the amount you consume without notable symptoms.
Beneficial bacteria in fermented food help create the right environment for the “good guys” in your digestive tract. And more often than not, the “bad guys” will not give up without a fight, thereby causing detox symptoms. When the bad guys are defeated by the good guys, the environment in your guy will reach optimal balance for it to thrive. In an ideal situation, here’s where you gut problems end.
This process can take from a few days, to weeks if you have more to clean out. In my case it took several months as I had severe problems in my gut for decades. Now I consume fermented foods several times a day without any symptoms, suggesting that my gut is in pretty good balance.
So the answer to your question would be: Yes, most people with the problem you mentioned can/should consume fermented food. However, since we’re all different, monitor closely how you feel. If you have serious health problems, talk first with your health practitioner. Also, check this post on detox.
rxsays
Hello…
If I use hot peppers do I need to slice them thin or can I use bigger chunks?
Also, what about using cactus? Thanks or your reply…
robert
Ken Silverssays
Hello rx.
Fermenting hot peppers in slices, chunks or whole is a matter of personal taste. When I add one hot pepper into my vegetable mix to ferment, I cut it in small pieces and mix it thoroughly with the other vegetable to get an even hot taste. But you can also ferment or pickle whole pepper separately; the advantage is that you can used them on the side with any food of your liking.
I’ve never tried to ferment cactus but I’ve seen some people ferment or distill cactus juice.
PJsays
Thank you Ken for gifting us with your experience and knowledge. It will come back to you many times over. I am wondering if once a large batch is fermented, is it possible to then process the jars through a canning technique?
Ken Silverssays
Hello PJ.
I’m happy you like my site. Fermentation is a simple but very effective preservation technique. Fermented vegetables are conserved in a sour brine with live bacteria keeping the vegetables fresh for many months. This is how people used to preserve foods before the invention of refrigerators. Mason jars, crock pots or larger vessel will all keep the product fresh if the vegetables are completely emerged in brine. Since the fermentation process is still active, although slow, a small amount of gas is produced. This helps to keep oxygen from harming the vegetables.
Some people ferment a large batch of vegetables in a big vessel and then transfer the ready product to smaller jars to store in a cool place like a fridge. In Eastern Europe I’ve seen how many people save the fermented vegetables in large containers that stand in a cool place. Then they consume a small amount daily during the winter months until the container is empty. The cover can be of wood or plastic and is often very simple, but the vegetables are all the time emerged in brine thus preserving them fresh.
So you can use a number of techniques to keep the vegetables fresh. But you don’t have to be overly concerned about this if you follow the basic recommendations.
Anna Marie Lambethsays
We have a question. 🙂 We just made our first batch of fermented veggies. At day 4 we just taste tested, and think they need a few more days. Although have never eaten any like this before, so are basing that on taste of sauerkraut… There is a little brown at the top of the jar, juice there is a brownish color – maybe 1/4″ to 3/8″? The rest of the jar is pretty – pinkish. Is the brown color at the top normal and/or ok? There is still some bubbles at the top, from what I have read that is an indication they need to still ferment longer, is that correct? We loved them by the way. Thank you so much for great directions.
Ken Silverssays
Hello Anna Marie.
Nice to hear that you are trying fermented vegetables. Yes, four days are usually too little; seven or more is better. If your home temperature is a bit lower you might need a few extra days. I have fermented veggies for up to 15 days when the temperature was lower with good result. But it is good that you taste the veggies to see when you feel they are ready. The longer you let them ferment in room temperature, the higher the acidity. The high acidity protects against bad bacteria and is considered very health promoting.
The brown color often shows that air has entered the jar or that the vegetables are not entirely submerged in brine. Oxygen promotes the growth of unwanted microorganisms that produce a bad taste and brown color. That has happened to me a few times too. Usually you can just remove the brown veggies after fermentation is complete. The pink color is a sign the veggies are healthy. If brine levels are low, add some fresh cabbage juice or boiled water that has cooled down. It helps a lot to add a cabbage leaf or two on top of the veggies. The cabbage is a very good protection and prevents vegetables from turning brown.
As long as you keep the jars in room temperature fermentation will continue. Therefore bubbles can continue to be formed as bacteria consume sugars that are turned into gas. This process slows down after some days. When you put the jars in a cool place like your fridge, fermentation will slow down considerably and you might not see any bubbles at all. But the healthy bacteria is still very much alive, for up to 8 months at least.
Dawn Balssays
Thank you for this information. I am in the process of making my first batch and have some concerns. Not for I have done everything right.
I bought cultures on line and its sourgemuese. It says for veggies but I have not seen anyone mention this specially. Hoping this is a good culture. The other concern is that my jars don’t have any bubbles at the top and when I prepared them I left about 1-2 inches at the top and covered with the cabbage leaf. It has been totally submerged in the brine the whole time but the veggies have not expanded and I thought I read that they would. I do smell a very strong odor and because I have never done this before I just am not sure it’s going like it should. It does have a pink look and the cabbage leaf has changed to a grey color.
Do you think it’s ok for me to try? It’s 5 days today.
I started this because of stomach issues and am already a very healthy eater so was hoping the good bacteria would help my gut.
Thanks for your help!
Ken Silverssays
Hello Dawn Bals.
I’ve never used this culture you mentioned so its hard to tell. No bubbles in your jars? This can happen without anything becoming spoiled. In fact, my last batch using Dr. Mercola’s starter, there were no bubble but the taste and texture was fine. No bubble might mean that fermentation is slower, perhaps due to a lower room temperature. If so, then you might want to leave the jars a few extra days in room temperature.
It sounds as if you have done things properly. However, when you’re dealing with live cultures and microorganisms, you cannot be 100% sure what the bacteria are up to. The cabbage leaves on top can become grayish in color sometimes. But if the veggies are still pink and look fresh, then things should be fine. One way to find out is by tasting the veggies. They should have a tart, fresh taste. The strong odor can be good but also bad; it depends on many factors. Check my Troubleshooting page.
I had stomach issues for years before I started fermenting vegetables. Now I never have any gut problems. Hope you will experience the same relief too.
Please write again if you need more help.
Twyla Zorbasays
Do you put the probiotic in the celery juice whole or do you open it up. I’ve heard of using these but just wasn’t sure how to go about it. I’ve
been wanting to make fermented vegetables for a long time but not sure of myself. T.Z.
Ken Silverssays
Hello Twyla Zorba.
I suppose you mean the probiotic capsules? Yes, you have to open the capsules and empty the powder into the celery juice, or whatever other juice you want to use. But it’s very easy to do. Just be a bit careful when you open the capsules as you can end up with probiotic supplement powder everywhere. (Which happened to me.) When you have empties all the capsules, be sure to stir thoroughly to mix the bacteria with the juice.
Evelynsays
Hello Ken, thank you for this abundance of material on fermenting! I have learned a lot. My question is regarding a recent batch…I started it with the Donna Gates culture starter. I let it sit for 2 weeks and 3 days. I thought that because my room temp was around 65 (maybe even a couple degrees higher some days) that it would be ok. Her video instructs a 2 week ferment in room temp. I tasted the batch and it seems just a bit off. No mold… just a bit past its prime. Is it ruined if the veggies may be a little past their ideal stage? I don’t know if I should throw it away. Is there a health risk or did I ruin the beneficial qualities?
Ken Silverssays
Hello Evelyn.
It is difficult to say for sure what’s wrong with your batch. Donna Gates makes really good starter cultures and I’ve also used them many times. Fermenting vegetables is an art and a science. Remember that you’re dealing with living bacteria and yeast forming a intricate symbiosis to produce the result. The taste might differ a little each time you do it. It also depends on what kinds of vegetables you’re using. Fermenting for two weeks usually is fine, especially if you have a lower room temperature. You say that the taste is “a bit off.” Do you mean that the taste is too weak, lacking the characteristic fresh and tangy taste?
I’ve had batches when I added too little starter culture and therefore it took a longer time toe develop the typical fresh acidic, tangy taste. When that happens I put the veggies in the fridge and wait for some time tasting them regularly to see how the taste develops. If you keep the veggies in room temperature much longer it seems to increase the risk of mold developing in your jars. That’s why it might be better to store them in a cool place. If the taste becomes more tangy after a week or so, then its a sign that your batch for some reason develops slower than usual. I’ve had several batches when the veggies look fine but the taste is weak but develops in time. Some batches took four weeks in the fridge to reach optimal taste. But you can eat the veggies faster if you want; they will still contain vitamins, enzymes and many other nutrients.
However, if the veggies have gone bad it is usually obvious—they will look brown or have a really foul smell.
The taste can also change depending on which bacteria strains take control of the batch. The probiotic bacteria produce lactic acid and other substances that affect the taste. The longer the fermentation process is going the more acidic the batch will become.
Write again if you need; I will be happy to assist.
Penelopesays
I was tested for allergies and told i was allergic to every single mold my Dr. had to test for. The worst she has seen and the only allergy that showed. I have terrible gastric problems that I wont even get into. I am also fighting joint and muscle pains which are becoming debilitating. This has been getting worse over at least a 20 year period. I even have suffered with chronic pancreatitis at 19 for no known reason. My question is, can a person allergic to mold eat fermented foods. I was told no by the Dr. many years ago. I have never tried seeing another allergist. I never had any outright symptoms either. Not like anaphalctic or rash or hives. Just added to seasonal stuffiness , sinus pain, and head aches. Surgery for my deviated septum ended my almost year round sinus infections.
Ken Silverssays
Hello Penelope
Really sorry to hear about your health problems. About your question if someone allergic to mold can eat fermented food. This is not easy to answer because the health condition of each person depend on many factors and circumstances. Therefore, I can only share my own experience and some research on this.
There are reasons to believe that homemade fermented foods might be OK to consume while commercially prepared fermented foods might not be OK. The Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America states about mold allergy that the evidence is weak that allergic symptoms are caused by food fungi but that it is more likely that allergic reactions to food fungi are caused by substances as histamine (present in red wine and many other foods). See this post on fermented food allergy Amines in fermented foods can cause many health problems.
Dr. Doris Rapp is certified in environmental medicine, pediatrics and allergy, and is in the forefront in the treatment of allergies. Dr Rapp states that of you have mold allergy you may also be allergic to certain foods, such as soy sauce, mushrooms, or any grain that has been stored in a moldy place. She actually recommends adding probiotics to treat many allergies. Probiotics can strengthen the immune system (80% is located in your gut). It also promotes cleansing the body of toxins (a factor in many allergies).
Taking probiotics safely means starting very slow, taking just a teaspoon or so a few times a day. Or in the case of a supplement, empty a capsule in water or juice and take a tablespoon now and then thorough the day. Detox reactions are common, especially in the case of candida. This might be mistaken for adverse reactions to probiotics, but probiotic side effect are very, very rare. Increase the dose as long as you feel OK. If you’re into juicing, it can also greatly promote the healing process. Be patient.
Hi! Is it important that the top cabbage leaf also be covered in brine? In another words, should the brine only cover the chopped veggies, or all of the veggies including the top cabbage leaf? Thanks!
Ken Silverssays
Hello Catherine.
No. This is not essential since you will anyway diskard the cabbage leave. Most important is to cover the veggies you will consume. The cabbage leave helps press and keep the veggies in brine.
Amyesays
Hi Ken,
Thank you for the information.
All the recipes I find include mostly cabbage. I have issues with Diverticulitis, and find green cabbage is a problem for me. I had one of my worst bouts after eating Saurkraut. Can I make these without cabbage? Or can I substitute red cabbage (it isn’t as troublesome)?
Thank you.
Ken Silverssays
Hello Amye.
Sorry to hear about your problem with diverticulitis; it can be quite unpleasant. Yes, you can easily ferment vegetables without using cabbage, no problem. You can prepare a mix of any veggies that you can safely consume like carrots, cucumber, beets, cauliflower, garlic, onion, kale, radishes and many more. Almost any vegetable can be fermented by itself or mixed with other veggies as you prefer. Try using what you can get fresh locally. Keep it simple. Other than that, just follow the same basic principles for a successful fermentation and you should be OK.
Taisays
Hi, I just bought some of Dr. Mercola’s Kinetic Culture. My question is can I make cultured veggies without using celery juice and still use the Kinetic culture maybe with water and salt?
I don’t have a juicer nor do I care for the taste of celery.
I have a lot of radishes from the garden I would like to ferment as well as experimenting with some other veggies.
I hope to hear from you!
Thank you!
Ken Silverssays
Hello Tai
Sorry it took me a while to respond but I’m on vacation at the moment in the north enjoying great scenery.
Yes, you can use Dr Mercola Kinetic Culture without using celery juice. Some people use cabbage juice or just water as you say. However, if using water you might want to add some kind of sweetener like a little agave syrup or honey when adding the starter. It helps the bacteria to get active. Remember too that fermented celery juice does not taste celery anymore, but turns quite neutral. Check this post for some more info.
Radishes are great to ferment. One way is to ferment them in a mix of water, salt, perhaps some dill, caraway seeds or mustard seeds. Its delicious! Cut the radishes in pieces. Follow the principles in this post and you should be fine. Taste them after a week or so to know when they are ready.
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After the first batch, can I pour off some of the liquid into a clean container and use it (the liquid) as a starter for the next batch? Would like to economize a bit. Thanks.
Hi Willysson
That’s a good question. The success of using old juice depends on the types of organisms present in the juice and its acidity. If your starter juice from the old batch has a very high acidity it can result in poor quality vegetables. (The longer you have kept your batch in the fridge, usually the higher the acidity (lower pH). This you can feel when eating it; it’s very tangy.) Problems with juice from the old batch occur because the bacteria strains that normally initiate fermentation are suppressed by the high acidity and therefore other bacteria will go to work. This can produce fermented vegetables with a softer texture than normal, even mushy. But it also depends on the starter culture. Try a smaller batch with some old juice and see if the result is OK. Because if it is, you can really economize.
I use a starter culture from Body Ecology; in one box there are six packages (for six batches) and costs about $24. I prepare about 10 pounds of vegetables for each batch using one packed of starter culture; this batch lasts for about a month or more. This means that I pay $48 per year for the starter culture. The idea is to prepare large batches since this way you can economize a lot. But there is a limit how much you can prepare with one package, but it’s pretty much.
However, my experience is that prepare yogurt or kefir using some of the old batch to start a new one works very well. Use about six tablespoons of the old batch and add it to the new one and you will have excellent bacteria growth. One reason why this works so well with yogurt and kefir is because you have no vegetables turning soft or mushy.
Hi Ken,
Enjoyed this article, and appreciate the information. I am going to begin fermenting my own veggies soon! I have a few questions. One, I have a nutria-bullet, is this okay to use to “juice” the celery, as this method leaves the fiber in the mix. Will the fiber being in the mix change the fermenting process in any way?
Second question refers to the comment about the mason jars…. to not screw them down tightly so as to let gasses escape. Once fermented, after about the week you say is needed, would it be expected that the cap would be tightened when putting in the fridge?
Then finally, when packing the jars, and tamping the contents down, are we to pour out the excess fluid? Is this the “left-over” that has been mentioned? The veggies ferment even when excess starter liquid is removed?
Thanks so much, this is all new to me, but I really want to try it, to provide my family with a good healthy probiotic laden addition to our diet.
Margaret
ONe other question….can you use a food processor to “shred” the veggies, or must you shred them?
Hi again Margo.
We use a food processor to shred the veggies. I used to do it by hand and if you prepare only a small batch it is OK. But we prepare around 20 pounds each time and therefore shredding by hand become very tiresome. A food processor is very helpful. It does not seem to matter if you shred you vegetables fine or coarse; the vegetables will ferment very well anyway.
However, we have noticed that coarsely shredded vegetables produce crunchier, better tasting fermented vegetables. If you shred your veggies too fine, you might fell like you’re consuming a vegetable porridge. So if your food processor comes with different shredding or grating discs, I recommend you try the coarse disc. If you’re using vegetables like cilantro (coriander leaves) or parsley, those you can also easily cut by hand.
Hello Margo.
Nice to hear you’re getting into fermenting vegetables; you will not regret that you did. You also have some good questions how to ferment vegetables; let me try to answer these questions.
1. I’ve not used the NutriBullet but I have made a thicker brine using the fibers in the vegetables. My experience is that this will not disturb the fermentation process in any way; celery juice is great and the probiotic bacteria seem to love it also. However, it might create a thicker consistency than normal. The brine in fermented vegetables is normally watery light, tart and with a complex, wonderful sour taste. Using the brine from your NutriBullet will create a thicker brine, but in no way ruin your fermented vegetables. So if you are OK with a thicker consistency on the final product, then you should have no problems at all.
2. The fermentation process normally reaches its peak after a few days in room temperature; you see lots of bubbles in the jars. After that the fermentation quickly enters the next stage and calms down. The bacteria are still very active even though there are fewer bubble in the jars. Then, after about a week when you put the jars in the fridge, the fermentation process will slow down considerably because of the lower temperature. The cool temperature means less gas is produced and therefore pressure will not build up in the jars as it did during the early fermentation stage. In addition, air is one of the main enemies that can ruin your precious fermented vegetables. Therefore, at this stage you need to screw the lids on more tight not to let air into the jars.
3. The fluid is very valuable, you do not want to pour it out. The fluid is packed with vitamins, enzymes and many other nutrients. It also contains sugars that the probiotic bacteria will devour and create several other healthy substances including gas. The starter liquid will become completely integrated with the fermented vegetables and cannot be, and should never be removed. You should enjoy every drop of it!
Hope this helps.
Happy fermentation!
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THANKS.
Hello Darryl.
Nice to hear that you’re into juicing. Fermenting the residue is perhaps possible but the result will most likely not be appealing. The reason is that the presence of vegetable juice is a major factor for success since it contains sugar, enzymes and vitamins vital for the fermentation process. The leftovers are mainly fibers as you say and not really your best option. I’ve used this dry vegetable mass left after juicing in cooking, which turned out pretty good; in stews or mixing some with ground meat is nice.
Fresh cabbage, carrots, celery, apples and ginger are usually not that expensive to get. If you want to prepare fermented vegetables, then go for the real thing. Then you will have a product that is tasty and packed with nutrients.
May I ask, do you find room temperature to be important while the vegies are fermenting? We live in Florida, our home is usually about 80 degrees.
I’d appreciate your input.
A temperature of 64 to 72 (18º to 22º C) is most desirable for initiating fermentation since this is the optimum temperature range for the growth and metabolism of some of the best probiotic bacteria strains. Temperatures above 72 degrees (22ºC) can work also, but the warmer it gets the more it favors the growth of other Lactobacillus species; they are still good bacteria but might give a different taste and the vegetable might become softer. If you don’t have a basement or somewhere were it’s cooler, then you just have to try fermenting in a higher temperature.
However, you should be aware that a higher room temperature will promote mold in you jars. If you’re making yogurt, then the process works fine in 80 degrees too. But for vegetables the process can be more sensitive. But if you follow my recommendations in my post on how to ferment vegetables, you will do fine. A few tips on fermenting in a warmer climate:
1. Be sure to emerge the vegetables completely in brine to protect them from mold. Use fresh celery or cabbage juice as brine as the juice helps protect the veggies.
2. Use a starter culture; this make the process much more stable and predictable.
3. You might not have to leave the vegetables for the entire 6 days in room temperature to complete the process. Higher room temperature usually shorten the process as the veggies ferment faster. Try what works best for you.
Very good article. Is the kimchee (Korean fermented vegetables) also good for us?
Yes April, kimchi is an excellent fermented food that can help you improve your gut health. It is rich in vitamins, lactobacilli bacteria and other nutrients. It has also been reported that kimchi can help break down pesticides, pollutants found in many foods drinking water. It’s simple to make at home so just indulge! I hope to post some recipes on kimchi in the future.
I have been considering doing this. I had a few questions, please. Is the raw honey necessary? What about other sugars? Regardless, I hope the end product is one in which the bacteria has digested ALL sugars.
Any guess as to what percentage of the probiotics survive the digestion (stomach acid) process and make it to the gut? Does it colonize the gut or is it necessary to continue to eat fermented foods?
Any thoughts on the advantages/disadvantages of a fermenting crock?
I used to ferment wine. I had to be careful about cleanliness and not introducing bad bacteria. I had to use a device to let the CO2 escape without letting outside air in (although some old timers I know just used a cheese cloth cover). Is there any such concern with your operation?
I have heard fermenting releases nutrients and makes them more bio-available. I have heard that sprouts (broccoli) are super nutrient dense. What about fermenting sprouts?
Thank you!
w.r.
Hi w.r.
The honey is not a must, but you use very little and it does stimulate bacteria growth since they feed on these kinds of sugars. The bacteria will consume all sugars so that the end product will become acidic and tart; there are very low levels of carbohydrates left, if any. It has been transformed to several other nutrients and gas.
The bacteria you consume will not replace the bacteria you have in your gut. But probiotic bacteria you consume will create a suitable environment so that the natural bacteria colonizing your gut can thrive. This is one reason why it you should consume fermented foods on a regular basis, especially if you’re over the age of 40 and you gut will start needing more support.
Fermenting crocks are really practical when preparing a bigger batch; this is the traditional way people has prepared fermented foods for centuries. In Eastern Europe many still use large containers for their ferments and they eat from it for for months. However, the bigger fermenting crocks are also bulky so you need some good place to store it. If you have a cool cellar or basement you’re lucky because that’s an ideal place. Otherwise you might consider using Mason jars or similar as those can easily be store in the fridge.
As to hygiene, yes you need to use clean jars, tools and to rinse the vegetables. But I’ve never been overly picky with it. I have also noticed that using a culture starter helps a lot as it makes the fermenting process a lot more stable and not as sensitive to unwanted bacteria. If you have some experience with wine making, that can help you a lot since the fermentation principles will be similar.
Yes, you can ferment sprouts too. I’ve not tried it but my wife and I sprout a lot and consume it daily, including broccoli seeds because of the reason you mention, and because they are delicious eaten fresh. Fermented foods have a very high bioavailability; they are assimilated by your body almost as if the food was already chewed and digested. This is because the beneficial bacteria prepare the food for you. But I appreciate the reminder about fermenting sprouts; I will try it and report the result.
Hope this help
Hello Ken,
What an excellent and informative article! Fermented foods have long been a part of our diet in my house but are so costly. We purchased them from Whole Foods at $10.00 for 12 ounces. So, needless to say, I am thrilled to discover this information!! I have a few questions; can the types of vegetables be played with? I would love to add beets and my husband loves the spicey jalapeño variety I buy from WF so would love to add some jalapeños to part of it for him. Also, is raw honey necessary or is organic honey okay to use? I am also interested in sprouting more foods…do you have any articles on such? It is refreshing to read information from someone so knowledgeable. Thank you so much for the information and your feedback!
Hello Holly.
Glad to hear you like this info. Yes, you can play with many vegetables to find what you like; almost anything can be fermented. Almost each time we make a new batch we make some changes to the recipe. Beets are great but can add a distinct taste and therefore I do not add them each time. Jalapeños are really good too, just be careful with amounts since the taste can become very strong. But if you like it really hot, then just go for it. Onion and garlic are good, but again, can add very distinct tastes.
If you want to experiment, one idea is to add a different vegetable to one jar and evaluate the result. I sometimes do this when trying something for the first time. Recently I wanted to ferment fresh sprouts for the first time so I added them only to only one out of five jars just to see how it turned out.
I mix one teaspoon of raw honey with the celery juice just to feed the bacteria some fast sugars to kick-start the process; you can use your organic honey, no problem.
About sprouts: I’ve not written any post about this yet, but I can recommend http://sproutpeople.org. They are really good at this and also offers some helpful tools.
Wish you success with fermenting vegetables
Are there any vegetables you do not recommend adding?? What about onions??Thanks!
Hi Holly.
Onion is similar to garlic in that they are very nutritious fermented but can also add a specific taste; there are some onion like red ones that are milder. They are great in some recipes. Interesting is that some people who normally do not like to eat onion can enjoy them when fermented; actually most fermented vegetables taste quite different from raw ones.
The recipe in this post is composed in such a way to produce a balanced, complex and fresh taste where ginger adds a slightly hot feel to it. Adding a few hot peppers can enhance the taste even more, perhaps even an onion. I’ve used garlic a few times but they often tend to dominate the taste too much. It might be better to ferment certain vegetables like garlic separately. Then you can eat them separately.
Whether ther are vegetables to avoid fermenting? I’ve not yet come across any vegetable that could not be fermented, there might be; but recipes are mostly a matter of what you prefer.
My wife and I are old age pensioners living in a small granny flat in Brisbane Australia. I see what you say about Florida and we have a similar problem. Our temperatures in the flat, where we have our 10 gallon krok range from about 6 degrees Celsius in winter to up to 33grees C in summer- before we turn on the air conditioning. We have a small second fridge where we can store the jars of fermented veges, once the krok is decanted. In the summertime – like now – how long should we leave our krok before decanting when the 28C to 33C max. are common day after day. We have really enjoyed your article and Dr Mercola’s and thank you sincerely for your help.
Sincerely…………………………………….Geoff
Hello Geoffrey.
Good question. How to ferment vegetables in a hot climate is not easy to answer as it can be challenging and you will have to experiment to see what works best for you. A 10 gallon crock is really nice for fermenting big batches of vegetables. If it has a water lock, even better as it keeps oxygen out effectively.
There are a few recommendations that might help to successfully ferment vegetables in a hot climate.
Taste your product: The best way to know if the product is ready is to taste it; taste after two days, three and so on. When the taste seems to be right, then refrigerate. In a hot climate this might be after 3-7 days. In a hot climate vegetables also tend to get softer, even mushy. But this can also be avoided.
Try to ferment vegetables while the temperature is in the correct range in your apartment. When the first part of fermentation is complete the vegetables are not as sensitive anymore, even if the room temperature would rise. If you have a cool place to store smaller jars, then of course is would be better to empty you crock and store smaller jars in the fridge during the hot season. When temperatures get above 25, 26 degrees Celsius, the fermentation process accelerates and the vegetables become more vulnerable to mold, which is the most common problem in a warmer climate.
If you ferment during the hot season, some people have successfully turned on their air condition unit during the most sensitive fermentation process; that would be the first 7 days or so. After this you need to make sure the brine is completely covering all the vegetables to block oxygen out. If you have a water lock on your crock, then make sure it always is tight and will not let any air into the crock. Oxygen is another main enemy of fermented vegetables because if promotes growth of mold, yeast and other unwanted microorganisms.
Use a starter culture. This makes the fermentation process much more stable and introduces bacteria strains that can help protect the vegetables. A starter culture also tends to lower the pH much faster, thereby helping to protect the product in a warmer climate.
Normally when fermenting vegetables in a cooler room temperature, you can ferment for several weeks or longer without ruining the product. The only thing that happens is that the level or sourness increases. However, in a hot climate it can be risky to leave the vegetables for a long time in a crock in room temperature, again because your main threat will be mold. The only way of knowing when the vegetables are ready is to taste the product; first after two days, then daily until the taste seems right. After that the product is ready to be refrigerated.
Use salt: Salt protects vegetables against harmful microorganisms as mold. Traditionally, a lot of salt was used when making sauerkraut. However, you don’t want too much salt since it can inhibit the growth of good bacteria. But a little salt slows down the fermentation process and acts as a preservative. Salt can also help preserve the crunchiness of vegetables.
Use fresh celery or cabbage juice as brine. These juices help protect the vegetables.
Some people have tried to ferment vegetables in a fridge not too cool. However, be aware that the cooler temperature will slow down fermentation so that you might not get the result you want since many bacteria strains are inhibited by a low temperature.
Others have put the jars in low level cold water, not covering the entire jar but just the lower part. Other has put refreezable ice packs around the jars to keep them cool during the first 3-5 days.
What about mushrooms? What about hard fruits like apples or green (not ripe) mangos or watermelon rind? Is this the same process for making cucumbers into pickles?
I also noted you use a glass Mason-type of jar with a glass top but my recollection is that they all have differing domes thus creating an air pocket. How do you get that air out or does that matter?
Thanks for the great information. I will try this as I live in Ecuador and am about out of my supply of US-bought Probiotics. Besides, I like the idea of inexpensive but better. One final question regarding the survivability of the pro-biotics in the stomach. I use a brand of Probiotics that are time-released so they enter the intestines and there disolve and are not killed in the stomach acid. Since fermented foods come in contact with the stomach acid, I am wondering about the survivability?
Hello Ed.
Mushrooms are great to ferment or pickle. There are many recipes but in Eastern Europe this is an old tradition. They often precook the mushroom first, then drain them, put mushrooms in jar, add vinegar, salt, a little sugar, garlic, dill and raspberry leaves. You must have brine enough to completely cover the mix. The jar is left in room temperature for 2-3 days to ferment and after that stored in a cooler place. Traditionally people used to eat this the whole winter.
Apples are often used together with cabbage; it’s like sauerkraut with apples. But you can add an apple or two to almost to any recipe. Mango same thing, excellent to ferment.
Watermelon rind I’ve not tried to ferment myself, but I’ve seen other doing this successfully. You scrape the pink flesh and peel off the green skin off the rind, cut in smaller pieces. Mix 2 tbsp salt with 1 quart filtered water. Add herbs, spices to taste. Put it all in a jar and leave to ferment for 1-3 days in room temperature. When fermentation gets going, be sure to loosen the lid for a second now and them to let gas escape from jar. Store in cool place.
Cucumber pickles can be extremely tasty and are useful. The recipe is similar to the one for mushrooms.
The jars I used are not real Mason; the small amount of air is pushed out as soon as fermentation starts and pressure is built up in the jar. The rubber seal will let the pressure out when too high. I have found that these jars are very good for fermenting vegetables.
About survivability. It has been a matter of some controversy about what kind of bacteria and how many survive the harsh stomach environment. Research has confirmed that several species do survive and even show up in the stool for several week after consumption; Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium are among those. This indicates that consuming fermented foods or high quality probiotic supplements regularly will benefit your entire intestinal tract.
Ken,
Great article! Just one quick clarification. I’ve been reading where during fermentation the vegetables must be covered with liquid, but you did not mention that. I’ve made four quarts of assorted sauerkraut and salsa and have used a brine of one tablespoon sea salt to 2 cups filtered water with excellent results. Do you cover the vegetables with celery juice or other liquid during the fermentation?
Thanks
Chuck
Hello Chuck.
Yes, you’re right, the vegetables must be completely covered with brine. This is one of the most important factors to successfully ferment vegetables. If brine levels in the jars get low in the fridge, then you should add liquid. I add raw, fermented cabbage juice that I buy in the store. But you can also add water with a little salt.
During fermentation I cover the vegetables completely with celery juice. Earlier I used water as you do, which works well too. However, I found that with celery juice the taste becomes more complex and enjoyable and it also helps preserve the vegetables. Also, celery juice adds a mild, pleasant salty taste, therefore you don’t need to add as much salt, if any.
The taste and texture of the final product will tell you if you’ve done everything right. And you seem happy with the result which is the main thing.
How much celery juice is needed as a starter?
Hi Lilia.
Actually, the celery juice is needed as brine to cover the vegetables. The starter culture is added to the celery juice because it’s a convenient way to add the starter and later mix it with the vegetables. The amount of celery juice needed depends on how much vegetables use are fermenting. I make about one quart of celery juice for five fairly big jars. But you can also make less juice but add a little water.
I am fairly new to vegetable fermenting as I have only made one batch with cabbage so far (it turned out great). I have considered adding garlic to the next batch, but I’ve wondered about it’s anti-bacterial properties and if it would slow down or hinder the growth of the good bacteria. I see from the comments above, that people do add it in, but it still makes me wonder if it’s counter productive. Any thoughts ?
Hello.
Garlic works very well to ferment together with almost any other vegetable; garlic does not affect the growth of beneficial, probiotic bacteria. But garlic contains antimicrobial and anti-fungal agents in its active ingredients, making it suitable to combat bad bacteria, viruses and other harmful microorganisms.
However, garlic adds a very distinct taste to the vegetables; if this is OK with you, then you should have no problem. Just be aware that fermented garlic can have a very strong taste; this is the reason I prefer to ferment garlic separately and add it on the side whenever I’m in the “garlic mood,” like in the cold and flu season. But the health properties of fermented garlic are many and profound like you say.
I have kefir grains which I use to make kefir from cow’s milk. Can I just add some freshly made kefir to use as a starter? Thanks.
Hello Lydia.
Kefir grains are wonderful and if you take good care of them, will serve you long. As you know, you pour milk over the grains to prepare a batch. Then, after some 24 hours your kefir will be ready. However, don’t throw away the kefir grains as you would an old teabag. Pour the kefir through a strainer and your grains can be used for the next batch. If the grain are of high quality, they can be used to make several more batches. And with the right care, they can even serve you indefinitely.
This is such wonderful information – thanks! Is there another way to “juice” the celery? We don’t have a juicer.
Hi Ellen.
I’ve heard some people using a mixer or blender; this would create a celery mash which you then pour though a fine strainer into a bowl to collect the juice.
I earlier used boiled water that has cooled down which also works pretty well. It makes the taste a little more diluted but not too bad. Sometimes you can buy freshly pressed cabbage juice or some other pure juice without any additives in the grocery store that also could be used. And you don’t need that much juice; I use about a quart or so for five jars.
If I were to make a celery juice brine using a BlendTec high speed blender, I think I would need to add water, wouldn’t I? If I did that, would the resulting dilution of the celery juice reduce it’s qualities to safely preserve the vegetables without salt addition? (I would be using the Mercola Kinetic Culture starter.) Would I risk to introduce too many undesireable bacteria during straining process if I squeezed the celery mash through a nutbag? Should I boil and then cool the resulting celery juice? I guess a juicer would be easier, but I’d like to try the fermenting first before adding that investment.
By the way, Do you feel that Mercola’s claims for that his “Kinetic Culture” starter results in high Vit K2 content veggies are relieable? (I see that in your comment below you did recommend a Dr. Mercola brand starter culture)
Thanks for your help!
Hello Lynn
Nice to hear that you decided to try fermenting vegetables.
Using a blender for the celery: if you need to add a little water to your celery should not be a problem. Diluted celery juice will still work fine. If you’re not sure, just add a little salt later to your veggie mix.
If you’re using a starter, then the risk is very small that harmful microorganisms would disturb fermentation. Squeezing the mash through any utensil would be fine as long as they are clean.
Celery juice should be used raw to preserve all the nutrients; do not boil the juice.
Yes, a juicer does simplify things. However, when I started fermenting vegetables I also used other methods like you. It worked well. I also tried ”wild fermentation” which can be more difficult.
About Kinetic Culture. I’ve tried many different starters, both good ones and poor ones. Kinetic Culture is one of the best I’ve tried. I used Body Ecology starters for a long time and I was always very happy with them. But I wanted to try Kinetic Culture. It seems that the claim about the high level of vitamin K2 is true. Kinetic Culture was developed with microbiologists and thoroughly tested. The bacteria combination used in Dr. Mercola’s starter is a bit more advanced than other starters. For me Kinetic Culture also produces better tasting veggies.
Wish you success with your batch.
Hi Ken!
What is your opinion on using cultured whey for a starter to culture vegetables?
Hello Lori.
Using whey as a culture starter to ferment vegetables is possible. However, I’m not a big fan of using whey this way. Whey is dairy based and contains bacteria strains specialized in consuming lactose or the sugars in milk. This might work well with fermenting milk or cream to make cheese, yogurt or kefir, even though I think kefr grains are better. In any case, I don’t think whey is the best starter culture for fermenting vegetables or to prepare picked cucumbers, garlic or any of that sort.
However, some bacteria strains can be the same both for fermenting dairy and fermenting vegetables. Therefore, you might succeed with some vegetables but not with others. Usually the problem is that vegetables become mushy or just don’t taste well.
I normally use a starter culture that is more broad-spectrum consisting of dried bacteria composed for the purpose of fermenting vegetables; like Body Ecology or even better Dr Mercola. This way you add a selection of bacteria suitable for vegetables. In addition, you will also have more different bacteria strains that are not included in whey.
You can also do wild fermentation, using the bacteria naturally occurring on all vegetables. I’ve done this many times, but it’s a more unstable and unpredictables process and you don’t get as much beneficial bacteria as when adding a starter culture.
Hi Ken – have been a fan of Dr Mercola for a number of years. His recommendation of your website fulfills the high rating we have come to expect from him. Your comments are so instructive with clear detail and offered with warmth and sincerity, even when you have earlier covered the points. No questions, just a word of encouragement.
We live in NZ in the sunny Bay of Plenty.
Kind regards
Hello Keith.
Thank you for your kind words.
Hi,
Can people with a acidity/ bloating/ indigestion problems consume fermented food without having any problems.
Thanks
Hello.
Many people suffer from bloating or ingestion because of imbalances in their gut or because of inflammation. Imbalances between good and bad bacteria or yeast overgrowth can cause all the symptoms you describe. Consuming probiotics or fermented foods can help correct such imbalances in several ways. Mainly beneficial bacteria in fermented food stimulate your body to kill off harmful bacteria, parasites and yeast. This can initially cause an aggravation of symptoms for a few days including gas, bloating, headaches, flu-like symptoms, even skin eruptions. For a majority of people this is completely harmless. However, it can feel unpleasant.
Therefore the recommendation is to start small, with small amounts of fermented foods; perhaps staring with one or two tablespoons to half a cup of fermented vegetables daily. As you body gets used to fermented food you might be able to slowly increase the amount you consume without notable symptoms.
Beneficial bacteria in fermented food help create the right environment for the “good guys” in your digestive tract. And more often than not, the “bad guys” will not give up without a fight, thereby causing detox symptoms. When the bad guys are defeated by the good guys, the environment in your guy will reach optimal balance for it to thrive. In an ideal situation, here’s where you gut problems end.
This process can take from a few days, to weeks if you have more to clean out. In my case it took several months as I had severe problems in my gut for decades. Now I consume fermented foods several times a day without any symptoms, suggesting that my gut is in pretty good balance.
So the answer to your question would be: Yes, most people with the problem you mentioned can/should consume fermented food. However, since we’re all different, monitor closely how you feel. If you have serious health problems, talk first with your health practitioner. Also, check this post on detox.
Hello…
If I use hot peppers do I need to slice them thin or can I use bigger chunks?
Also, what about using cactus? Thanks or your reply…
robert
Hello rx.
Fermenting hot peppers in slices, chunks or whole is a matter of personal taste. When I add one hot pepper into my vegetable mix to ferment, I cut it in small pieces and mix it thoroughly with the other vegetable to get an even hot taste. But you can also ferment or pickle whole pepper separately; the advantage is that you can used them on the side with any food of your liking.
I’ve never tried to ferment cactus but I’ve seen some people ferment or distill cactus juice.
Thank you Ken for gifting us with your experience and knowledge. It will come back to you many times over. I am wondering if once a large batch is fermented, is it possible to then process the jars through a canning technique?
Hello PJ.
I’m happy you like my site. Fermentation is a simple but very effective preservation technique. Fermented vegetables are conserved in a sour brine with live bacteria keeping the vegetables fresh for many months. This is how people used to preserve foods before the invention of refrigerators. Mason jars, crock pots or larger vessel will all keep the product fresh if the vegetables are completely emerged in brine. Since the fermentation process is still active, although slow, a small amount of gas is produced. This helps to keep oxygen from harming the vegetables.
Some people ferment a large batch of vegetables in a big vessel and then transfer the ready product to smaller jars to store in a cool place like a fridge. In Eastern Europe I’ve seen how many people save the fermented vegetables in large containers that stand in a cool place. Then they consume a small amount daily during the winter months until the container is empty. The cover can be of wood or plastic and is often very simple, but the vegetables are all the time emerged in brine thus preserving them fresh.
So you can use a number of techniques to keep the vegetables fresh. But you don’t have to be overly concerned about this if you follow the basic recommendations.
We have a question. 🙂 We just made our first batch of fermented veggies. At day 4 we just taste tested, and think they need a few more days. Although have never eaten any like this before, so are basing that on taste of sauerkraut… There is a little brown at the top of the jar, juice there is a brownish color – maybe 1/4″ to 3/8″? The rest of the jar is pretty – pinkish. Is the brown color at the top normal and/or ok? There is still some bubbles at the top, from what I have read that is an indication they need to still ferment longer, is that correct? We loved them by the way. Thank you so much for great directions.
Hello Anna Marie.
Nice to hear that you are trying fermented vegetables. Yes, four days are usually too little; seven or more is better. If your home temperature is a bit lower you might need a few extra days. I have fermented veggies for up to 15 days when the temperature was lower with good result. But it is good that you taste the veggies to see when you feel they are ready. The longer you let them ferment in room temperature, the higher the acidity. The high acidity protects against bad bacteria and is considered very health promoting.
The brown color often shows that air has entered the jar or that the vegetables are not entirely submerged in brine. Oxygen promotes the growth of unwanted microorganisms that produce a bad taste and brown color. That has happened to me a few times too. Usually you can just remove the brown veggies after fermentation is complete. The pink color is a sign the veggies are healthy. If brine levels are low, add some fresh cabbage juice or boiled water that has cooled down. It helps a lot to add a cabbage leaf or two on top of the veggies. The cabbage is a very good protection and prevents vegetables from turning brown.
As long as you keep the jars in room temperature fermentation will continue. Therefore bubbles can continue to be formed as bacteria consume sugars that are turned into gas. This process slows down after some days. When you put the jars in a cool place like your fridge, fermentation will slow down considerably and you might not see any bubbles at all. But the healthy bacteria is still very much alive, for up to 8 months at least.
Thank you for this information. I am in the process of making my first batch and have some concerns. Not for I have done everything right.
I bought cultures on line and its sourgemuese. It says for veggies but I have not seen anyone mention this specially. Hoping this is a good culture. The other concern is that my jars don’t have any bubbles at the top and when I prepared them I left about 1-2 inches at the top and covered with the cabbage leaf. It has been totally submerged in the brine the whole time but the veggies have not expanded and I thought I read that they would. I do smell a very strong odor and because I have never done this before I just am not sure it’s going like it should. It does have a pink look and the cabbage leaf has changed to a grey color.
Do you think it’s ok for me to try? It’s 5 days today.
I started this because of stomach issues and am already a very healthy eater so was hoping the good bacteria would help my gut.
Thanks for your help!
Hello Dawn Bals.
I’ve never used this culture you mentioned so its hard to tell. No bubbles in your jars? This can happen without anything becoming spoiled. In fact, my last batch using Dr. Mercola’s starter, there were no bubble but the taste and texture was fine. No bubble might mean that fermentation is slower, perhaps due to a lower room temperature. If so, then you might want to leave the jars a few extra days in room temperature.
It sounds as if you have done things properly. However, when you’re dealing with live cultures and microorganisms, you cannot be 100% sure what the bacteria are up to. The cabbage leaves on top can become grayish in color sometimes. But if the veggies are still pink and look fresh, then things should be fine. One way to find out is by tasting the veggies. They should have a tart, fresh taste. The strong odor can be good but also bad; it depends on many factors. Check my Troubleshooting page.
I had stomach issues for years before I started fermenting vegetables. Now I never have any gut problems. Hope you will experience the same relief too.
Please write again if you need more help.
Do you put the probiotic in the celery juice whole or do you open it up. I’ve heard of using these but just wasn’t sure how to go about it. I’ve
been wanting to make fermented vegetables for a long time but not sure of myself. T.Z.
Hello Twyla Zorba.
I suppose you mean the probiotic capsules? Yes, you have to open the capsules and empty the powder into the celery juice, or whatever other juice you want to use. But it’s very easy to do. Just be a bit careful when you open the capsules as you can end up with probiotic supplement powder everywhere. (Which happened to me.) When you have empties all the capsules, be sure to stir thoroughly to mix the bacteria with the juice.
Hello Ken, thank you for this abundance of material on fermenting! I have learned a lot. My question is regarding a recent batch…I started it with the Donna Gates culture starter. I let it sit for 2 weeks and 3 days. I thought that because my room temp was around 65 (maybe even a couple degrees higher some days) that it would be ok. Her video instructs a 2 week ferment in room temp. I tasted the batch and it seems just a bit off. No mold… just a bit past its prime. Is it ruined if the veggies may be a little past their ideal stage? I don’t know if I should throw it away. Is there a health risk or did I ruin the beneficial qualities?
Hello Evelyn.
It is difficult to say for sure what’s wrong with your batch. Donna Gates makes really good starter cultures and I’ve also used them many times. Fermenting vegetables is an art and a science. Remember that you’re dealing with living bacteria and yeast forming a intricate symbiosis to produce the result. The taste might differ a little each time you do it. It also depends on what kinds of vegetables you’re using. Fermenting for two weeks usually is fine, especially if you have a lower room temperature. You say that the taste is “a bit off.” Do you mean that the taste is too weak, lacking the characteristic fresh and tangy taste?
I’ve had batches when I added too little starter culture and therefore it took a longer time toe develop the typical fresh acidic, tangy taste. When that happens I put the veggies in the fridge and wait for some time tasting them regularly to see how the taste develops. If you keep the veggies in room temperature much longer it seems to increase the risk of mold developing in your jars. That’s why it might be better to store them in a cool place. If the taste becomes more tangy after a week or so, then its a sign that your batch for some reason develops slower than usual. I’ve had several batches when the veggies look fine but the taste is weak but develops in time. Some batches took four weeks in the fridge to reach optimal taste. But you can eat the veggies faster if you want; they will still contain vitamins, enzymes and many other nutrients.
However, if the veggies have gone bad it is usually obvious—they will look brown or have a really foul smell.
The taste can also change depending on which bacteria strains take control of the batch. The probiotic bacteria produce lactic acid and other substances that affect the taste. The longer the fermentation process is going the more acidic the batch will become.
Write again if you need; I will be happy to assist.
I was tested for allergies and told i was allergic to every single mold my Dr. had to test for. The worst she has seen and the only allergy that showed. I have terrible gastric problems that I wont even get into. I am also fighting joint and muscle pains which are becoming debilitating. This has been getting worse over at least a 20 year period. I even have suffered with chronic pancreatitis at 19 for no known reason. My question is, can a person allergic to mold eat fermented foods. I was told no by the Dr. many years ago. I have never tried seeing another allergist. I never had any outright symptoms either. Not like anaphalctic or rash or hives. Just added to seasonal stuffiness , sinus pain, and head aches. Surgery for my deviated septum ended my almost year round sinus infections.
Hello Penelope
Really sorry to hear about your health problems. About your question if someone allergic to mold can eat fermented food. This is not easy to answer because the health condition of each person depend on many factors and circumstances. Therefore, I can only share my own experience and some research on this.
There are reasons to believe that homemade fermented foods might be OK to consume while commercially prepared fermented foods might not be OK. The Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America states about mold allergy that the evidence is weak that allergic symptoms are caused by food fungi but that it is more likely that allergic reactions to food fungi are caused by substances as histamine (present in red wine and many other foods). See this post on fermented food allergy Amines in fermented foods can cause many health problems.
Dr. Doris Rapp is certified in environmental medicine, pediatrics and allergy, and is in the forefront in the treatment of allergies. Dr Rapp states that of you have mold allergy you may also be allergic to certain foods, such as soy sauce, mushrooms, or any grain that has been stored in a moldy place. She actually recommends adding probiotics to treat many allergies. Probiotics can strengthen the immune system (80% is located in your gut). It also promotes cleansing the body of toxins (a factor in many allergies).
Taking probiotics safely means starting very slow, taking just a teaspoon or so a few times a day. Or in the case of a supplement, empty a capsule in water or juice and take a tablespoon now and then thorough the day. Detox reactions are common, especially in the case of candida. This might be mistaken for adverse reactions to probiotics, but probiotic side effect are very, very rare. Increase the dose as long as you feel OK. If you’re into juicing, it can also greatly promote the healing process. Be patient.
Check also this page on Probiotics for Allergies, though quite technical.
Hi! Is it important that the top cabbage leaf also be covered in brine? In another words, should the brine only cover the chopped veggies, or all of the veggies including the top cabbage leaf? Thanks!
Hello Catherine.
No. This is not essential since you will anyway diskard the cabbage leave. Most important is to cover the veggies you will consume. The cabbage leave helps press and keep the veggies in brine.
Hi Ken,
Thank you for the information.
All the recipes I find include mostly cabbage. I have issues with Diverticulitis, and find green cabbage is a problem for me. I had one of my worst bouts after eating Saurkraut. Can I make these without cabbage? Or can I substitute red cabbage (it isn’t as troublesome)?
Thank you.
Hello Amye.
Sorry to hear about your problem with diverticulitis; it can be quite unpleasant. Yes, you can easily ferment vegetables without using cabbage, no problem. You can prepare a mix of any veggies that you can safely consume like carrots, cucumber, beets, cauliflower, garlic, onion, kale, radishes and many more. Almost any vegetable can be fermented by itself or mixed with other veggies as you prefer. Try using what you can get fresh locally. Keep it simple. Other than that, just follow the same basic principles for a successful fermentation and you should be OK.
Hi, I just bought some of Dr. Mercola’s Kinetic Culture. My question is can I make cultured veggies without using celery juice and still use the Kinetic culture maybe with water and salt?
I don’t have a juicer nor do I care for the taste of celery.
I have a lot of radishes from the garden I would like to ferment as well as experimenting with some other veggies.
I hope to hear from you!
Thank you!
Hello Tai
Sorry it took me a while to respond but I’m on vacation at the moment in the north enjoying great scenery.
Yes, you can use Dr Mercola Kinetic Culture without using celery juice. Some people use cabbage juice or just water as you say. However, if using water you might want to add some kind of sweetener like a little agave syrup or honey when adding the starter. It helps the bacteria to get active. Remember too that fermented celery juice does not taste celery anymore, but turns quite neutral. Check this post for some more info.
Radishes are great to ferment. One way is to ferment them in a mix of water, salt, perhaps some dill, caraway seeds or mustard seeds. Its delicious! Cut the radishes in pieces. Follow the principles in this post and you should be fine. Taste them after a week or so to know when they are ready.